Originally by: Kaelie Onren

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Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 11/05/2011 06:20:27
Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 11/05/2011 06:18:59
Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 11/05/2011 06:17:47

Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim

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I agree that the Goonswarm Federation is a problem for the CSM, but I think the problem lies in human nature. While having an electoral college sounds good in theory, in practice it fails due to the overwhelming ineptitude of the masses under it to elect reasonable delegates at any level, let alone at the foundation where it matters most. How do you fix it? Sad to say, I think the only way is to keep educating people while implementing changes wherever you can that force them out of their secure little bubble of complacency.

I don't expect the problem to go away for millions of years, simply because I think it lies at the heart of our species and will require some serious mental evolution before it is fixed.

Until then, we deal with it as best we can. I support the idea of the electoral college. Does that mean I support this thread? I think so but I'm not sure. I'll thumb it up anyway.

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You know there are other systems of democracy out there that work better, namely constituent based representation. (parliamentary system) If 100% of players see themselves as 0.0ers, then 100% of CSM should be 0.0ers. If its a 30/20/50 split, then so should the number of seats be allocated in the CSM to reflect this ratio. Right now the problem with this system is that its more like a high school prom queen contest, or a dictatorship puppet democracy.

Can anyone think of a good reason why the number of seats in CSM7 should NOT be determined by a census of players? (or something like a QEN snapshot?)
I'm totally fine with goons dominance of the portion of CSM seats alloted to nullsec delegates, (assuming they get the popular null sec votes). I AM against the whole of CSM being dominated by nullsec players (unless 100% of the players in EVE are nullsec players) just because of a flaw in the voting system. Leaving a large portion of the players unrepresented with little CSM expertise in some areas of gameplay.

By the way, the flaw in the pseudo-democracy system here is that its a popular vote system. Every player gets 1 vote, each is worth the same, and there are no limits to the seats on CSM up for election.

What this is analogous to is this: Have anyone who is an an American be allowed to run for congress. There are 20 congress seats up for grabs. With NO restrictions on WHERE the candidates are living to determine validity of candidacy. Does this sound fair? If it does, your congress would be full of Californians and New Yorkers as they have they highest populations and everyone will likely vote for 'their own'.

Taken to the next level, if we let CCP run the elections for the United Nations, all your representatives would be Chinese.
Sure, lot's of these Chinese ministers DO have it in their hearts to do a good job representing you westerners, but when it comes down to it, if it came to a point where they have to make a decision that would harm china in lieu of benefiting Americans, do you think that they would? Would you trust them to be impartial?

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